That's what the current rules are, as posted by Andy.

Quote from pacesetter :

I had a thought there this evening, why not do 15 minutes of quali? For the first five minutes the FO8s go out, then from after the clock turns past the five minute mark, the FOXs leave the pits. And for the remaining five minutes, both classes are allowed out on track?

Please post your thoughts on the above

Don't you think that will cause a lot of problems with ordering drivers? And are you saying it's 5 mins F08 and 10 mins F08+FOX, or 5 mins F08, 5 mins FOX and 5 mins F08+FOX? I still prefer a separate session for each class. It's qualifying, not racing.

Quote from bozo :

An alternative that you might consider is to let the FO8s go out for the first 5 minutes alone, and then the FOXs can join for the remainder of qualifying. This worked successfully in the GFC events, and means nobody is waiting around too long. The FOXs were allowed into the pit lane, but could not join the track until the first 5 minutes were passed.

This would work well for the F08 guys, as they have 5 mins of track time to themselves, but what about the FOX drivers? F08+FOX at the same time gives both classes less of a chance for a "perfect" lap, no? Or am I missing something?

Ah, bugger, if it's on Friday evening GMT, I won't make it. That's Friday afternoon for us yanks, and much as I hate it, RL takes precedence. Oh, and next Friday is also the 13th :spidereek
I suppose Sunday evening GMT is out for you guys?

Andy, James - congrats on finishing the test race. It wasn't the smoothest one for sure, but given it was your first, I think you two did a pretty decent job, all things considered. I would certainly be up for another test race next weekend, hopefully somewhere on Aston - no time to learn/develop set for another circuit. Here are a few suggestions:

1) Despite the qualifying blunder, the drivers themselves need to behave more maturely. No rushing the admins, no insults and keep the chat between the drivers to a minimum, please. It's easier for admins and easier for other drivers who, perhaps, are trying to concentrate. Plus, it makes the entire event seem more professional.

2) Drivers should show up to the server with their names in proper format. It's really not difficult at all. Just create a new driver w/ the proper name.

3) The qualifying. In this post Andy said that the qualifying would be split into two classes, yet both the FOX and F08 ran at the same time, which IMO was far from ideal. On my second flying lap attempt a F08 caught up to me right before the final chicane. As a result, this screwed up my lap (and his lap, probably) and put me right into the tyres...which also affected two other FOX cars running behind me. So please, let's do two qual. sessions next time. Say 7-10 mins each. First the F08s go while FOXs stay in pits, and vice versa for the second one.

4) Skins, etc. For broadcasting purposes, it may be a good idea to have standardized number plates and their locations on skins, like they do in IGTC and MoE. Adds some credibility to the event.

Anyways, thanks for organizing this, and I'm sure it will run much smoother next time.

I guess they're being conservative and want to take small steps at a time. Though if the car runs well at Sebring, it'd be a shame if they don't go to LM this year.

From a marketing point of view, the fact that they don't sell "Acuras" in Europe isn't such a big deterrent from going to LeMans, IMO. The Acura is an American-market brand, and that's why they race in ALMS. However, it's probably fair to say that the marketing/brand promotion that Acura's ALMS presence gives is mostly geared to the people who follow ALMS and other sports car racing stateside (and according to ALMS, are a fairly affluent bunch, on average). But surely, this audience is at least aware of (and probably follows closely) the 24h of LeMans. So any success they have at la Sarthe can still be used to improve the brand image...in America. Now if they only started building proper RWD road cars

And deggis - thanks for the ARX-02 links

Is there a qualifying session, and if so, how long is it? F08 and FOX at the same time, or one class at a time (that's how it's usually done in multiclass racing, afaik)? Would be nice to have the event format with starting times, breaks, end of race procedure, etc.

Quote from trebor901 :

Is that really real or someone made it up to look as if it is gonna be brought back. Cos if they do it they'll only do it to make us think theres another racing driver being the black stig now when in fact it will most likely be one of the current ones.

Nothing direct, but I doubt BBC is not involved

Quote :

A press release from the Beeb says, "Until now, the original Stig from BBC Top Gear was thought to have been killed back in 2003, when he drove a modified Jaguar XJS off the end of HMS Invincible aircraft carrier at 109mph. The nation was shocked that the Stig was dead. However, recent footage has been found on YouTube showing that he miraculously survived." The release goes on to say, "How he survived, nobody knows. Some believe he used the nitrous octane equipment from the Jag to breathe. Some believe he can communicate with dolphins and they cared for him. Has he returned because he can sense White Stig has had his identity exposed?"

The Black Stig is Back? Gotta love BBC!

Great links, deggis, thanks. Is there a chance we will see the P1 Acura at 24hrs of LeMans? Apparently they already have 82 entries for 55 spots with 44 prototypes. But it would be interesting to watch the Acura go against Audis, Pugs, Astons, etc.

So what exactly happens when there is an accident with respect to safety car deployment? I mean, with a 6 lap race, having a SF car for even a single lap is pretty weird, no?

As to the times, I need to find 2-3 sec somewhere. Mid 2:44s in race trim ATM when I don't spin What wing and tyre settings is everyone running?

EDIT: just realized my pedals are "fluttering." For example, on the straight the throttle doesn't always stay 100% when I press it completely, and after braking, the brake sometimes doesn't release completely either. This sucks...royally!

Last edited by Speedy Pro, Tue, 3 Feb 2009 08:33.

That makes sense

Name: Bayram Orazov
ISO Country Code: USA
Team: Privateer
Team Leader:
Preferred number: 4

FOX

Last edited by pacesetter, Sun, 1 Feb 2009 21:04. Reason : added that you are a privateer to your post

Do we still need to sign up here if we've already signed up in the other thread?

Does anyone know if FIA GT and ACO regulations for GT1 and GT2 cars are the same?

gotta love multi class!

Don't take this the wrong way, but perhaps you should reword 1.2, to include the "pull over" part, as that's currently missing, e.g.

"1.2) If your car is damaged to a certain extent, which may cause you to 'veer' off the road when breaking, or if you have certain damage that will cause an accident in the race you must pull over to the side of the road where you would not obstruct other cars."

Was wondering if the F08 and FOX will be driven in the same race, multiclass style, or if the 2 classes have separate races. Also, I'm not entirely sure what rule 1.2 tries to say. Is it w/ regard to spectating or what? Please clarify

Quote from MAGGOT :

Having the supports in front of the rear wing provides a less turbulent airflow across the bottom surface of the wing, increasing the speed of the air, and by association, the effectiveness of the wing. There is a slight trade-off, though - the air passing over the top surface of the wing may suffer from increased turbulence and drag as it passes the support twice.

That is speculation on my part with my understanding of aerodynamics, anyways.

I discussed this with a fluid dynamics professor today, and what you're saying is basically right. The underside of the (inverted) airfoil is more important than the top side when generating downforce, so keeping it free of supports should increase the wing's effectiveness. Hower, the better solution would probably be to place these "swan necks" behind the wing to reduce the turbulence. The regs probably don't allow that though.

A closeup image of Acura's rear wing mount (www.johnthawley.com)


Note that this isn't the same mount used in pre-Sebring testing


Any thoughts on the aero advantage the new setup provides? Wouldn't placing the supports ahead of the wing spoil the air hitting it?...unless you purposefully want to reduce the load in the center of the car. Actually, looking at the second pic above, you see that the middle section of the lower element on the rear wing is much flatter compared to the edges.

Last edited by Speedy Pro, Fri, 30 Jan 2009 07:38.

Nice video, I liked the ambience of it Good luck in the race. No wonder the BL GTR servers are crowded by aliens these days

This sounds interesting, I'd like to do it

Name: Bayram Orazov
Country: USA
Car: FOX

Weekend races are fine with me, however, due to TZ difference, I most likely won't be able to make a weekday event, should the schedule change.
And lastly, I don't have a team, if that's fine with you. Perhaps, I could partner up with another teamless driver or if more than 2 people join from one team?

Isn't F08 based on Formula 3000? Those things had sequential stickshifters, no?

Quote from smove :

so ... The majority here shifts with something like this? :bewarespa

rofl!

FWIW, I'd like to be using the stick as well, but it's position on the MOMO block is just really inconvenient. I've been thinking about making a new 3 pedal set and probably a shifter (H-gate or sequential, haven't decided yet), so I'll probably switch over when/if that's completed.